Why I Don't Agree With The War on Iraq:
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smibboBecause after all the hemming and hawing and bullshit posturing that Bush has done, I can't believe any of his reasoning. After all the emotionally charged propaganda he's been spewing, I can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. If you want people to support something as scary and expensive as a war, then you'd better explain yourself better than just "he's an evil man" Regardless of Hussein, a war means blasting a lot of innocent Iraqi people... are they all evil? Even Bush hasn't said the people are all evil... just the one man. I can't fathom creating a possible nuclear holocaust for entire countries because their "leader" is "evil"
I'm sorry. That's my personal feeling on the matter and everything I see and hear only strengthens it. The people who try to make rational arguments for this war only blahblahblah about:
political faction (sketchy rationale because can we really presuppose how other countries will treat us in direct opposition to what they are saying currently? and can we afford to piss off the ones who have told us in no uncertain terms that they don't want us to do this? ex:Blair is being threatened we disposition, so we can easily infer that his PEOPLE don't agree.)
Democratic institution (how patronizing can you get? We blabbed on for decades about democracizing communist countries when they CLEARLY didn't want our influence or "help". I don't necessarily agree with how the Arab Countries run themselves but then I can't say as I'm hip to the actual reality of life over there... they decry our republic all the time, so obviously they think our "sacred" way is junk - who am I to dictate how they should live? And what happened to "responsibility"? War-proseltyzers are usually the same people who insist that whatever low-brow station in life you're living (here in USA), its because you CHOOSE to be there somehow... Arab people who are living in shit have the capacity to get their asses out... they do it quite frequently, I'm supposed to feel all motherly and want to go 'save' them? I can't rest assured they want me to save them and I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be saving them from except that evil guy that THEY KEEP IN POWER. C'mon, countries have coups all the time. Why are they so silently accepting this jackass? But we're supposed to make that choice for them? I'm missing something here.
Retribution (this is no reason, in my book. If its a bona fide reason to you, oh goody gum-drops, that's YOUR opinion. Retribution has no place in my life. Go plot vengeance on someone elses lawn, not mine)
preventive therapy (yeah, as soon as we get rid of Mr. Evil Incarnate the whole of the Arab axis o' evil will crumble and they can all live in artificial democratic bliss for ever after. Riiiiight... before Saddam "I vant to suck your security" Hussein there weren't any Arab evil guys running around.... yeah we always manage to blow away the eeeeevil dudes who run the oil congloms. Yeah and I got a bridge to sell you, you historically ignorant numb-nut)
a message to everyone else (yes, a very good message: We are America, We do whatever we want and you'd better grab some vaseline while you're at it)
THe summation is this: everything I hear sounds remarkably like the glory-days of Newt Gingrich and I'm not blindly following our intrepid leader down the path of righteous nuclear winters-to-come just because he pushes all the right fear buttons. I have a bit more going on in my noggin than to be suckered into rationalizing this FOR him. Many people have made very good arguments for this war, but the arguments I hear are not coming from anyone with the power to make it happen. If the leader of the free world has to rely on "Hussein is EVIL and EVIL must be destroyed" to get me to support this war, then I'm gonna be too suspicious to go along with anything anyone else can come up with.
Yes, pro-war folks, yall make great arguments, some of which I agree with, were those the reasons given by those making the decisions but they are not.
Professors analyze literature all the time and come up with amazing theories and dissections but can't you just hear the back of your brain saying "yeah but maybe he just wrote that because that's what he really felt like saying?"
In accordance with that sentiment I say "yeah, you make a great debate but maybe Bush and the PsTB just want the war for entirely selfish reasons?"
And if this war is fought for entirely selfish reasons on the part of Dubya and his PsTB, then there's no guarantee that anything will come to pass that you analyzers predict. THere's no guarantee that anything good will come of the war because despite your wonderful reasoning and rationale, you're not running this country and you're not in charge of this war.
Perhaps if some of you more erudite people were in charge and running this war, I'd be for it.
It's not the arguments, it's the right arguments coming from the wrong people and the wrong arguments coming from the 'right' people.
If I can't believe my fearless leader has even halfway decent intentions, then I don't want a shotgun wedding between his principles and my fellow Americans.
I'm sorry. That's my personal feeling on the matter and everything I see and hear only strengthens it. The people who try to make rational arguments for this war only blahblahblah about:
political faction (sketchy rationale because can we really presuppose how other countries will treat us in direct opposition to what they are saying currently? and can we afford to piss off the ones who have told us in no uncertain terms that they don't want us to do this? ex:Blair is being threatened we disposition, so we can easily infer that his PEOPLE don't agree.)
Democratic institution (how patronizing can you get? We blabbed on for decades about democracizing communist countries when they CLEARLY didn't want our influence or "help". I don't necessarily agree with how the Arab Countries run themselves but then I can't say as I'm hip to the actual reality of life over there... they decry our republic all the time, so obviously they think our "sacred" way is junk - who am I to dictate how they should live? And what happened to "responsibility"? War-proseltyzers are usually the same people who insist that whatever low-brow station in life you're living (here in USA), its because you CHOOSE to be there somehow... Arab people who are living in shit have the capacity to get their asses out... they do it quite frequently, I'm supposed to feel all motherly and want to go 'save' them? I can't rest assured they want me to save them and I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be saving them from except that evil guy that THEY KEEP IN POWER. C'mon, countries have coups all the time. Why are they so silently accepting this jackass? But we're supposed to make that choice for them? I'm missing something here.
Retribution (this is no reason, in my book. If its a bona fide reason to you, oh goody gum-drops, that's YOUR opinion. Retribution has no place in my life. Go plot vengeance on someone elses lawn, not mine)
preventive therapy (yeah, as soon as we get rid of Mr. Evil Incarnate the whole of the Arab axis o' evil will crumble and they can all live in artificial democratic bliss for ever after. Riiiiight... before Saddam "I vant to suck your security" Hussein there weren't any Arab evil guys running around.... yeah we always manage to blow away the eeeeevil dudes who run the oil congloms. Yeah and I got a bridge to sell you, you historically ignorant numb-nut)
a message to everyone else (yes, a very good message: We are America, We do whatever we want and you'd better grab some vaseline while you're at it)
THe summation is this: everything I hear sounds remarkably like the glory-days of Newt Gingrich and I'm not blindly following our intrepid leader down the path of righteous nuclear winters-to-come just because he pushes all the right fear buttons. I have a bit more going on in my noggin than to be suckered into rationalizing this FOR him. Many people have made very good arguments for this war, but the arguments I hear are not coming from anyone with the power to make it happen. If the leader of the free world has to rely on "Hussein is EVIL and EVIL must be destroyed" to get me to support this war, then I'm gonna be too suspicious to go along with anything anyone else can come up with.
Yes, pro-war folks, yall make great arguments, some of which I agree with, were those the reasons given by those making the decisions but they are not.
Professors analyze literature all the time and come up with amazing theories and dissections but can't you just hear the back of your brain saying "yeah but maybe he just wrote that because that's what he really felt like saying?"
In accordance with that sentiment I say "yeah, you make a great debate but maybe Bush and the PsTB just want the war for entirely selfish reasons?"
And if this war is fought for entirely selfish reasons on the part of Dubya and his PsTB, then there's no guarantee that anything will come to pass that you analyzers predict. THere's no guarantee that anything good will come of the war because despite your wonderful reasoning and rationale, you're not running this country and you're not in charge of this war.
Perhaps if some of you more erudite people were in charge and running this war, I'd be for it.
It's not the arguments, it's the right arguments coming from the wrong people and the wrong arguments coming from the 'right' people.
If I can't believe my fearless leader has even halfway decent intentions, then I don't want a shotgun wedding between his principles and my fellow Americans.
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Consequences
Date: 2003-03-17 08:02 am (UTC)The Reasoning For The War Is And Is Not A Farce
Date: 2003-03-17 01:41 pm (UTC)So, it could have ended up that we would have gone to war just against Japan, and the Nazis would have won out in Europe on the Western Front because we would have been unable to support Britain. Japan attacked us. Hitler was allied with him but not an American concern.
However, FDR finally came around to the view that Hitler was Evil with a capital E, and needed to be dealt with. It was only when we found the death camps during the invasion of Germany that we discovered the depth of Nazi evil.
Not to put to fine a point to it, Saddam is an Arabic Hitler. He runs his country the same way, initiates the same programs Hitler did, and has succeeded where Hitler failed. This is mainly because Saddam ain't stupid and he ain't crazy. He's also not religious, and therefore not fanatic. This leaves a cunning dictator who knows how to wield power and is not afraid to use it.
In Asia, we have Kim in NK, who is about the same way, just Communist. That one's a mini-Stalin. Kinda funny how history repeats itself.
Personally, I think a war is a bad idea. I think a few paid government assassins hitting the correct people in each country would put paid to the problems we are having now. There'd be a little bit of turmoil and then another dictator or oligarchy or SOMEBODY would pop up that might be easier to deal with. The war will go through, though. Why? Simple:
1) It's about that time again when America has to reinforce the "Yes, we are top dawg in this pack of nations." belief in other countries. We do this about every decade or so, to make sure no one screws with us much.
2) Oil for America. It's all about resource wars, baby. Anyway who says otherwise is either an idealist, a politician, or they're trying to sell you on something. [Why do you think we're concentrating on Iraq and not NK? NK has nothing to offer us in resources.]
3) We get to set up another government that will be an American lapdog, in an area where we want American lapdogs.
Those are the benefits we receive. Oh yeah, we get rid of another mini-Hitler. Side benefit. Swifty, yes?
So, there you have it, the stripped-down real reasons why we are going to war. Mainly, to get shit for America and to reinforce American power, because these things are good for - you guessed it - America. Principles and everything? Shoot, that's for idealists. The boys in Washington deal with reality. Democrat or Republican, they want the same thing - more power for them and more power for America, in whatever order you want.
It's kinda like my friend Martin says: "I don't mind a one-world government - as long as it's an American one-world government."
Even when I'm thinking about what a conservative butthead you are, I'm loving you, dawg!
Date: 2003-03-17 02:13 pm (UTC)Hired guns my man. I've no issue with taking out Hussein - its the entire fucking COUNTRY getting wiped out I have serious problems with.
So far as securing the oil rights, oh well I guess that'll make some of those 1%ers happy what with their stocks and shares and partnerships on the boards blahblahblah... but why should I be happy about those jerks geting more loot and booty? I don't see any benefit for me and mine anywhere in that equation.
Actually, the only reason that doesn't bother me is the "America: TOP DAWG" reason. Sure, we've got to flex our big muscles occasionally. I just wish that dubya weren't treating us all like we're morons whose opinions mean ZILCH because if thats' so, what the fuck kinda AMUUURIKA are we flexing our muscles for? Apparently not teh republic demoncracy we shout about so much.
fehh.....
all I'm saying is that the people are going to protest this, decry this and do whatever they can to voice their opposition to this war unless dubya and his cohorts start talking HONESTLY about it and at least PRETEND to give a shit what the people want.
I think this could go down in history as the biggest insult to the people ever .... and won't that just make dubya look like the big cheese-head then?
Re: The Reasoning For The War Is And Is Not A Farce
Date: 2003-03-17 02:16 pm (UTC)Mark my words.... we could depose Hussein at any time without decimating the whole of Arabia, but why do that? Dubya's cronie pals wouldn't make much money offa that.
Let us not forget
Date: 2003-03-17 02:21 pm (UTC)